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I have a 900mhz pentium 3 processor.

I did some brain testing on that computer and I found out that it does stop the graphics, but on a 450mhz processor, the graphics keep animating almost every time the brain executes.

I was searching on digikey for some parts, and I found out that the processor alone cost nearly half of the total cost of a computer. I think the cost of a P4 MPU (just the IC alone) is around $250. Those microprocessors run from a single 1.5V battey!

When is SV5 is going to be done?
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What are you talking about?

A single 1.5V battery?
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That right! A Pentium 4 Microprocessor IC ( Which by the way is short for "Intergrated Circuit" ) runs from a single 1.5V battery. I think at least one of those ICs I looked at have over 450 pins.

Of course, as I get more advanced in electronics, the supply voltage will get lower. I'm still working with 5 Volt electronic projects, but I have some projects that run from 2.5V thanks to CMOS technology.

If you don't have any idea i'm talking about, then go to this website.
http://www.iguanalabs.com/basicdef.htm
There will be at least 4 pages to read.

Now for some idea for SV5.

I was thinking about incorporating some new functions for brains. I Listed some of these functions in the Game Development forum.

GetPlayerName(integer) as string;
Returns the starlord's name.

OrderChat(message as string);
A function incorporated in winwar, Orders the brain to send a message to the multiplayer chat list.

OrderPatrol(ship as integer,points as array);
Allows a given starship to patrol to the points given in the array.

GetStarSystemName(ListIndex as integer) as string;
Allows the brain to determine the starsystem name in the given star.

GetChatListItem(item as integer) as string;
Allows the brain to read a message from the multiplayer chat list.

GetChatListCount(void) as integer;
Allows the brain to determine how many total messages are sent to the multiplayer list.

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beat2k wrote:That right! A Pentium 4 Microprocessor IC ( Which by the way is short for "Intergrated Circuit" ) runs from a single 1.5V battery. I think at least one of those ICs I looked at have over 450 pins.

If you don't have any idea i'm talking about, then go to this website.
http://www.iguanalabs.com/basicdef.htm
There will be at least 4 pages to read.



Why are you so stupid? Why are you talking in "as a matter of fact" voice? First of all you said "That right!" That makes no sense whatesoever, perhaps you meant "That IS right!" Because you apparently forgot your verb. Secondly you said "Intergreated Circuit" What's an "Intergrated Circuit" Oops. Let me not make the same mistake I made last time and expect you to catch your error when I ask what, I'll just plain out tell you, there's no such thing as in "InteRgrated Circuit" Perhaps you meant "Integrated Circuit". I know exactly what IC stands for you duffus.

I didn't ask what as if I wanted information, I asked what in disbelief because I knew you were wrong and wanted to help you realize that. I asked what in a condescending tone, what as in you are wrong what the HELL are you talking about kind of what.

But apparently you still cannot grasp the tone in which anyone says anything even if I stood right there in front of you and you heard me say it with the voice Im thinking in.

A Pentium 4 Microprocessor, also commonly refered to as a CPU, does not and will never run off of a 1.5 V battery. That is what you said in the second post. But perhaps you were mistaken and just carelessly blurbed that out, lets go back to your original post. You called it the P4 MPU. MPU is basically an outdated term that no one uses anymore. People like GPUs and CPUs and maybe even PPUs (A newer term referring to Physics Processing Units: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPU). Maybe you meant the P4 M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_M)?, which runs off of a hell lot less energy and power than the normal P4. However, even this P4 M cannot run on a single 1.5 V battery. You've confused the fact that voltage is mentioned when dealing with CPUs, and the fact that voltage is not the only thing that runs a CPU. Do you even know what voltage is?

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The practical meter-kilogram-second unit of electrical potential difference and electromotive force equal to the difference of potential between two points in a conducting wire carrying a constant current of one ampere when the power dissipated between these two points is equal to one watt and equivalent to the potential difference across a resistance of one ohm when one ampere is flowing through it.



Even if you had enough voltage contained in a battery to run this CPU, a freaking PENTIUM 4 CPU, regardless of low voltage or ultra low voltage models, you would not have enough current (or more properly, amps). I wish I had an engineering degree right now, and someone here actually might, so they could explain to you your deep misconception dealing with batteries, voltage and the likewise. A battery even if it had enough voltage could not run ths processor simply because it does not have enough juice (for lack of a better term). It would run out of energy so quickly that it would be pointless to even attempt to use it to power the CPU. Not only that but you also forgot that a CPU needs other components to run it, if you were to assemble somehow (impossibly) your $300 CPU on your common breadboard device that you probably have at home with all the components necessary to actually perform something worthwhile and even close to your money's worth, then you would need much more energy and voltage than a single 1.5 V battery. It would never be worth it to have a CPU of that performance on the electronic so called "projects" that you are working on. A $5 DSP or FPGA would do. You can even order free samples off the internet (http://www.analog.com). Why else does a CPU have a MOTHERBOARD? Its much more complicated than you've put it.

Look at a laptop stupid. Why isn't a laptop powered by a single 1.5 V battery? And lets pretend it had no monitor. Why can't we plug the monitor into the wall and have the whole laptop powered by a single 1.5 V battery? Do you have any common sense?! How long does a laptop battery last and how much more expensive and more powerful is it than the AA, AAA, C or D Energizer Bunny Batteries you can buy at your local grocery store?

On average a $100 15 volt laptop battery will last anywhere from 2-3 hours. And these batteries are RECHARGEABLE.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/electricity3.htm

Maybe this will help. Otherwise, you're just hopeless.

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That Right is a typo, It is SUPPOSED to be "That's right!". I accidentally placed the R in integrated circuit.

You don't believe me, do you?
I know alot about electronics. That $251.37 P4 IC runs off at that low of a voltage. You're going to be surprised how little amperage that IC consumes. I actually ran an IC that only runs from 2.5V with a 5V supply and that IC got HOT. Do you know that nearly all the ICs in the motherboard is vulnerable to static electricity? Even a tiny shock can fry the IC itself!

Digi-Key Part Number 848653-ND.
Category Integrated Circuits (IC's)
Family Microprocessors
Vendor Intel
Processor Type Pentium 4
Speed 2.0GHz
Voltage 1.5V
Package / Case 478-PGA

Have you heard the term "It is not the voltage that kills you, it is the amperage"?

If you use 120 Volts and that circuit is consuming 1A, then that will kill you.
Now if you touch a 12,000 Volt power line that has only 10mA flowing through it, then that will have the exact same power as a 120 Volts with 1 Amps flowing through it.

LEDs is a good example of that. Given the nature of LEDS, they only operate in one direction. The flaw about LEDS is that they consume more amperage than they are designed for. So if you connect A LED directly to a 1.5V battery, then that LED will not fry because there isn't enough voltage driving the current. If you boost it to 3V (which is the absolute maximum voltage rating for green LEDS) then the LED is dangerously close to getting fried. Then if you boost it again, the led will fry because there is enough voltage to overcome the resistance of the LED. So ultimately, you have permanently fried the LED. If you operate any LED above 2.4V then a resistor is needed. I usually operate a LED with a 330 ohm resistor with a 9V battery pack. With a external resistor aiding the LED's resistance, the LED will not fry as long as the amperage doesn't exceed 40mA. The exact same principal applys to currents in the river. If you tried to block the current with just small amount of resistance then the resistance will fail because there is too much current flowing through it. So if that applys to a resistor in electronics, then that resistor will fry.
But if you increase the resistance to the point that the current is virtually under control, then the resistor will not fry, But the rest of the energy in the current transforms into heat energy. But if you increse the resistance that can handle much more current than it is getting, then the energy will not be wasted. Even wires alone have resistance. Thats why the voltage on long range transfer lines is so high. So that the voltage can overcome the resistance of the wire.

Then we got another factor that is in play. How much amperage is flowing through the circuit? If you use a resistor that is supposed to supply a light bulb and the light bulb goes out for some odd reason. it is not a bad light bulb, it is the resistor suppling it. It has burned out. Lets say the bulb consumes 270mA and the resistor is 1/2 watt from a 9 Volt power supply. According to the formula for watts (W = V * A), the watts consumed by the bulb is 2.43 Watts. Thats assuming the bulb operates a 9V. But what if the bulb operates at a lower voltage like 3V. You need to find the resistance so that you can operate the bulb with a 9V supply. You use this formula to find the value of the resistor needed. R = (Battery Voltage - 3V) / I. The result should be 22.22 ohms. Then you use the ohms law formula for amperage (I = V / R). (remember, the V in the formula is 9 volts!) the result is 405mA. Then you use the formula for watts and you will get 3.645 Watts. SO you will need a resistor that is 22.22 Ohms, 3.645 Watts. When you connect it this time, it should light up! and the resistor should never fry.

SO, A 1/2W resistor is not enough to hold back the current so it is fried. If you get a 4W resistor that is 22.22 Ohms, then the resistor will not fry, but the excess energy will produce a large amount of heat. To reduce the amount of heat generated, you use a higher watt resistor.

I know what voltage is!!! If I didn't know voltage then I can't create projects that advanced. I'm also aware that the amps also come into play along with resistance in circuits. I didn't forget that there are other components running it. Like for example:
A AT89C2051 MicroController requires a 11MHZ XTAL with 33pF load capacitors and requires a 10uF capacitor and a 8.2K resistor for the reset pin.
I actually looked at a motherboard inside a computer and I can see dozens of components connected to it. Even if I wouldn't run a 1.5V battery to it, I can run a power regulator to the IC. The reason why a laptop runs with a 15V battery is because there are other components that run at a higher voltage (mostly above 4.5V). If you plug it into a wall, you need a transformer and a AC to DC converter along with some noise filtering capacitors to convert 120VAC to 12VDC. The computer has built in power supplies in the motheroard that step down the voltage. Eventually, it would reach 1.5V which that IC operates on.

By the way, I was only talking about the IC running from a 1.5V battery, not the entire computer! (that will definitely not work)
In fact, a 1.5V battey will get very hot and will possibly leak or explode when you operate a laptop with a 1.5V battery. Even I wouldn't do that. That battery cannot handle that many amps. (that's just insane!)

I'll have to look at the website that you posted.

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*yawn*

Resistors, capacitors, and power sources... how boring. When you master the art of the MOSFET (transistor), then we'll talk.

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Honestly Beat, I give up. You're too dumb for words. You've simply restated much of what I've said and tried to iterate, but still lacked understanding of the point.
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Are MOSFETS really that good? If so, then list some practical uses of MOSFETS so I can develop more advanced projects.

I actually use transistors in every project I made.
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beat2k wrote:I actually use transistors in every project I made.



Do you know English?

Get your tenses straight.
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yes. "I make projects that use transistors."

Is that better? You probably know what i'm trying to say anyways.

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